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Post by Clouseau on Aug 6, 2008 0:25:18 GMT
over in the Review thread for Curse, the question has been posed (and i thought it worthy of its own thread): When Sgt. Sleigh meets Clouseau at the end of the film, does Sleigh believe that he has met Clouseau? or does he believe that he has met Roger Moore? or what?
any and all theories are welcome for discussion...
my personal belief is that Sleigh believes he has met Roger Moore, the actor, though i cannot explain why he asks for an autograph on a picture of Sellers' Clouseau...
do you agree with me? or do you have a theory of your own?
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Post by georgelytton on Aug 10, 2008 10:37:15 GMT
He thinks he's met Roger Moore. They avoided him naming any films, because the studio asked so - given how a Bond movie came out at the very same year.
Sleigh even asks him for his autograph - for his grandfather. Its pretty lcear, methinks.
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Post by yannickthejoker on Aug 11, 2008 1:44:59 GMT
Yeah, I just watched this scene again. He asks him to sign it on the picture of Sellers' Clouseau because he just has that piece of paper. He turns it around before he puts it on the table so doesn't ask him to put his autograph on the picture itself. He believes he just met Roger Moore. He also asks him if he did any movies, pretty clear.
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Post by panther67 on Aug 11, 2008 20:52:55 GMT
Hi,
Well, if this is the case, I think it was a bad move in the movie. I mean, then why didn't Sleigh when he saw David Niven, say "David Niven! let me have your autograph!". It's just not right for fictional characters played by famous actors to mix the two in a fictional movie. And why would Clouseau want to get made to look like Roger Moore the actor? It still doesn't make sense to me, and if this is how the script is, I think it was a mistake(ie; dumb).
Carl
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Post by Clouseau on Aug 11, 2008 21:58:06 GMT
it may have been dumb, but i found it funny enough... he didn't recognize Niven as Niven because Niven had already been established in the series as Sir Charles Lytton/The Phantom... we (and the other characters in the film) all knew from a previous Panther adventure that Niven was Sir Charles... since Sir Roger Moore had not played a character in a previous Panther adventure, he wasn't necessarily attached to a character, so it was okay for him to just be himself...
it's just like when a famous actor plays himself in a cameo in some other movie/TV show... the audience and the characters in the program all recognize the famous actor as himself, and it works as a funny moment... kinda like all those famous actors who used to pop out the window when Batman and Robin were scaling the side of a building... we knew who they were, and so did Batman and Robin, and they were just being themselves, rather than playing a character...
all they've done in Curse is put a twist on that idea... Moore is playing Clouseau playing Moore, so the audience and Sgt. Sleigh recognize him as himself, BUT the audience gets the added pleasure of knowing that he is also a character... if that makes sense...
it reminds me of when Andy Kaufman was wrestling women... he was playing a character, but pretending to be himself, which kinda blurred the lines of reality... what we have in Curse is kinda similar to that, but not quite the same or to the same extreme degree...
anyway, it's just a twist on the way things are usually done, and i think it's amusing enough, but i guess everyone has a different opinion of what's funny and what's not...
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Post by yannickthejoker on Aug 12, 2008 18:26:30 GMT
Ah Clouseau, you a Kaufman fan as well?
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Post by panther67 on Aug 13, 2008 13:02:44 GMT
Well, I understand what you are saying. I like Roger Moore, and maybe a continuance of the role with him would have been interesting. But if it is like you say, I find it more confusing than funny. My would Clouseau, who wants to hide out, get made to look like a famous actor, when that famous actor is still living? Now if the secret plot was to assassinate the real Roger Moore, and have the Clouseau/Moore take his place, then that might have been an interesting plot, but then the Clouseau/Moore would have to act and make movies in the role of Roger Moore. And I still find it odd that Sleigh gives Moore a photo of Clouseau to autograph, even if he does turn it over, which I didn't notice. I know it's not important or anything, and over all I liked this movie more than Trail and Son. But still this part I found was confusing more than funny. But who is the girl that helps Sleigh, that does the kicks? She is way hot.
Carl
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Post by Clouseau on Aug 13, 2008 17:55:02 GMT
Ah Clouseau, you a Kaufman fan as well? sometimes...  But if it is like you say, I find it more confusing than funny. My would Clouseau, who wants to hide out, get made to look like a famous actor, when that famous actor is still living? now that's a good question, and i'm not sure there's a good answer... best i can figure is that Clouseau is used to being recognized everywhere he goes, and he has a huge ego, so he wants to be recognized, but he knows that if he is recognized as himself that he will be caught and exposed... however, he figures it's okay for him to be recognized as someone else, because that way he gets the double pleasure of both getting his ego stroked and getting away with the jewel theft... as for why Roger Moore and not someone else, i dunno... maybe he was just a fan of Roger Moore, or maybe it was some random selection, or maybe something else... i have no idea... it may take a stretch of the imagination to see it, but that's all i've got right now... anybody else wanna take a stab at it? |
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Post by Dreyfus on Aug 14, 2008 13:57:14 GMT
I just assumed Clouseau had had surgery to make himself look like Moore. I don't why he would, but thats just the way I understood it to be. Maybe Moore should have taken over the louseau role |
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Post by pinkadilly on Aug 22, 2008 7:42:23 GMT
they made things more confusing by putting him in the credits as turk thrust II. so it was turk thrust playing clouseau playing roger moore!  |
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Post by in-the-pink on Jan 12, 2009 9:20:08 GMT
Maybe Moore should have taken over the louseau role Moore was one of the funniest things about the movie, but I can't picture a whole film with Moore in the lead as Clouseau. I think that still would have been a little bit too weird. |
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Post by pinkadilly on Jan 13, 2009 21:57:59 GMT
roger moore wouldve been better than dudley moore at least, imo!
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Post by tournier on Dec 7, 2010 4:38:11 GMT
I didn't think Moore's voice sounded like Closeau - he sounded a little timid in his Sellers imitation (probably for good reason). As long as they were dubbing everyone else's voice in sight, I thought they should have dubbed Moore's voice, as well.
I thought the idea was funny, but, as with everything else in Curse, there was a horribly unfunny bit for every one that paid off. Although the Moore-playing-Closeau-playing-Moore idea was great, a little conflict/danger in the scene would have helped a lot. The plot ends once we see what became of Closeau - as the next four minutes go by, it becomes increasingly obvious that the story is not taking any added turns; we're just watching Moore ham it up as the curtain comes down (not Moore's fault, but that of the script).
I still think Moore was a fun choice, and I could completely believe Closeau choosing to go through life as Roger Moore. But WHAT IF Blake Edwards had decided he needed a real comedian to do a Sellers impersonation and decided to get that up and coming stage comic Steve Martin for the part instead?
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Post by georgelytton on Dec 18, 2010 0:12:11 GMT
Even though I like his scenes in the film, I do think they're not as good as they should've, and could've been. The problem with Moore playing Clouseau playing Moore, is that this was the only take on the scene. Edwards did not have time to film more takes on the scene due to budget cuts and what have you. Curse almost didn't get made, after all.
Still, it was a decent way of making bringing Clouseau to a close in the same way Sellers intended him to have gone out, had he lived to do ROMANCE OF THE PINK PANTHER.
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