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Post by georgelytton on Sept 3, 2006 10:29:17 GMT
About Clouseau Jr. - He's happy, actually more of a fool-hearty, but he's still his own character. He isn't Clousaeu - He's Jacques Gambrelli, or Clouseau Jr. if you want, but a different character to explore, really. Martin, follishly, tried to be THE man, when obviously no one, and I mean, NO ONE could ever be. Arkin did an admirable job, but he looks like a poor man's Clouseau, nonetheless.
Dreyfus, I'd like you count my vote for INSPECTOR. Doesn't change anything, but I consider INSPECTOR better than CURSE.
Now, REVENGE wins this round for me. TRAIL is an excellent tribute, by all means, but IMO, REVENGE is the last worthwile PANTHER out there. Ever since, only mediocrity rules this franchise.
Its also the last ever time Sellers played the legendary Inspector Clouseau (Chief-Inspector). Even if he seems kinda bored in some scenes here and there, he still rules the film. He's funny as anything you can imagine.
Great, great movie. My only gripe in there, is that it is not explicitly stated that this film is/should be set before STRIKES AGAIN, because of the Dreyfus thing.
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Post by Dreyfus on Sept 3, 2006 11:03:50 GMT
Does anybody object to me voting? AsI would like to help Revenge out a bit.
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Post by georgelytton on Sept 3, 2006 11:21:00 GMT
Go ahead! Everyone should vote, really...
Its not like we are THAT crowded.
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Post by brandon on Sept 3, 2006 17:18:05 GMT
Great, great movie. My only gripe in there, is that it is not explicitly stated that this film is/should be set before STRIKES AGAIN, because of the Dreyfus thing. Just pretend that all the events in Strikes Again (except for the pre-opening credits part where Dreyfus chases Clouseau out of the hospital) is really part of some insane delusion that Dreyfus is having while in the institution. I also like to think that the whole movie "Inspector Clousea" was really all just a bad nightmare by Dreyfus.
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Post by benjaminballon on Sept 3, 2006 17:19:39 GMT
I'm coming Dreyfuß to help... My vote goes to
Revenge of the pink panther
even if Trail wasn't a bad film. But in Revenge you see that Edwards directing was much more free simply because Sellers was alive and he didn't have to somehow "shoot the film around the footages". And what I like most is the great (BIG) appearance of Burt Kwouk as Cato.
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Post by Clouseau on Sept 3, 2006 18:22:38 GMT
I also like to think that the whole movie "Inspector Clousea" was really all just a bad nightmare by Dreyfus. that's easy to do... it was really all just a bad nightmare for me, too!
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Post by Dreyfus on Sept 3, 2006 21:07:51 GMT
Its not that bad. It had its moments. I do like Beryl Reid as Mrs. Weaver and I never realised she was in the classic horror film Dr. Phibes Rises Again also. But I do have a soft spot for IC. I think Arkin did a good job.
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Post by georgelytton on Sept 3, 2006 23:34:00 GMT
I don't see neither as nightmares. At least, not in the same chance. I just take two realities - one that has all five Sellers films and the Arkin one, and one where all happened. In both cases, the 2006 film is a nightmare of Dreyfus'.
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Post by Clouseau on Sept 3, 2006 23:39:02 GMT
I don't see neither as nightmares. At least, not in the same chance. I just take two realities - one that has all five Sellers films and the Arkin one, and one where all happened. In both cases, the 2006 film is a nightmare of Dreyfus'. see, that's odd, because i see two realities, also, but instead, i see all the 1963-1993 films as one set, and then i see the 2006 set as a completely separate entity, because i understand it that Steve Martin is not meant to really be playing the same character as Sellers and Arkin played... Martin's Clouseau is as different from Sellers' as Kline's Dreyfus is from Lom's... but that doesn't make one reality any better/worse that the other, IMO, because both have their pluses and minuses... just a matter of mindset... anyway, we're getting terribly off course...
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Post by georgelytton on Sept 4, 2006 8:45:11 GMT
Actually, Clouseau for me, isn't a character that is free to intepret in many ways - there really is one Clouseau, and if anyone plays him, he oughts to play him the same way.
Its not like Bond, which is a literally character and can be translated in many ways - this is a character that Sellers HIMSELF created from scratch. Without him, he would've been another inconsequential role in Peter Ustinov's career. But it was Sellers that MADE him. That truly shaped the character.
Martin didn't do it for me. He was terrible. He came off as unsympathetic idiot, when he should've come out as a sympathetic idiot. Thats the difference between Sellers and Martin - Sellers, no matter what, always made Clouseau a character to relate to, while Martin is very well irritating, annoying and downright pathetic. I would never have become a fan of the films from Martin's effort, I can tell you that...
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Post by Maria Gambrelli on Sept 4, 2006 9:22:08 GMT
I have to vote Revenge of the Pink Panther. Trail was so sad for me to watch. Both as seeing the quality of the movie and having in mind that the star is dead, never to return.
Perhaps it is shameful to admit, but I haven't seen non-Sellers PPs. I always felt it would spoil the series and the character for me...
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Post by Clouseau on Sept 4, 2006 12:15:05 GMT
Actually, Clouseau for me, isn't a character that is free to intepret in many ways - there really is one Clouseau, and if anyone plays him, he oughts to play him the same way. i suppose that's what makes the difference, right there, because Martin never intended to impersonate Sellers, from the onset... it works for me, but obviously not for everyone... oh well... i recognize that Trail is still a sad film, and as i said, Lumley's part was terrible, but i'm still surprised to see so many votes for Revenge... Revenge felt so tired to me... Trail at least had some new elements, you know? i dunno...
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Post by Dreyfus on Sept 4, 2006 16:11:46 GMT
Well. After the voting. Revengeof the Pink Panther emerges victories with 4 votes compared to Trails 2 votes. So Revenge goes through.
Round 4
The Pink Panther Strikes Again (1976)
Vs
Return of the Pink Panther (1975)
I know this will be a tough one.
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Post by Clouseau on Sept 4, 2006 16:19:31 GMT
well Return wins for me easily... it's always been one of my two top favorites of the entire series... the jewel theft at the beginning, the main title sequence, the crime scene investigation, the telephone repairman disguise... all of it, right up to the ending, is hilarious! the only PP film that can top it, IMO, is ASITD...
TPPSA, on the other hand, is a decent enough film, with a good parody of the James Bond series, and plenty of hilarity to go around, but large sections just don't do it for me, including the dentist scene and the film's climax... it's a very funny film, but in this case, for me, it's just no contest...
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Post by brandon on Sept 4, 2006 18:40:29 GMT
RotPP.
Best main title sequence ever after the first one. Great writing and scenes! And Plummer fits the Lytton role nicely. I can't imagine Niven in this movie.
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